6 to 12 volt conversion.

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  • #22551
    1879
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      I am new to the forum.

      Advice please. I have no experience of this 6 to 12 volt conversion.

      Are there any recent articles on this topic?

      What do I need on the shopping list?

      Who supplies a suitable alternator. What rating should it be. What pulley size.  I already have a 6 v alternator so I can use the bracket etc. TOC spares do not have any 12 v alternators.

      Who supplies ‘voltage reducers’ for the wipers

      Do any other circuits need reducing from 12 to 6 v eg the sender unit/fuel gauge .

       

      Apology if this has already been covered.   Thanks

      Rob

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      #22553
      Laurence Coburn

        I have a traction 11c converted to 12v it uses a dynamo and a 12v lucas voltage regulator also the original starter with no other modifications

        note there is no voltage at the fuel tank sender only resistance

        #22554
        1879
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          Thanks for that Laurence.   I’m using an alternator as I am installing power steering. Keeping original 6v starter.

          #22556
          David Faulkner
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            12v Alternator, CTA in Holland do a full kit with bracket etc. it’s a straight swap for the 6v dynamo and throws out double the amperage of a dynamo but not cheap: http://www.ctaservice.nl/product/14266/dyn-wisst-12v-75amp-steun

            12v to 6v reducer, I have a similar to one of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/DIGITEN-Waterproof-Converter-Regulator-Module/dp/B018LFV0S6  fitted to my car for the wipers (which I upgraded the arms and blades for)

            It really depends on how much ‘wet weather’ driving you envisage doing (I do try and avoid it as wipers are only 1 issue, a lack of demister is another)

            As for running a 6v starter on a 12v system, well it may be fine for years, but any weakness in the motor could leave you stranded as I was at the 80th out in France until we managed to do a deal with another member who had a spare 12v starter, but those are becoming hard to source unless you go for a modern replacement like https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/1517/category/217

            It really does come down to how deep your pockets are, how and how often you are going to use the car as a lot still run fine on 6v.

            #22574
            1879
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              Thanks David, this is useful. Will probably get CTA alternator.

              12v starters scarce. I have spare 6v so may stick with 6v for now

              will chase DIGITEN

               

              #22603
              Chris
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                Purists – look away now…

                This is how I fitted my alternator. It’s a Lucas 17ACR (£55 from Moss-europe) with a different pulley to accept the original wide belt. The brackets are cut from a strip of steel that used to support my rear bumper.

                You can see I fitted a heat shield because I was concerned the plastic cover (and the regulator inside it) were a bit close to the exhaust. It may not be necessary but I didn’t want to find out the hard way. The alternator runs a little slower than it would in its intended installation. That meant I needed to have a lower resistance ignition warning light – so I wired 2 Halfords warning lights in parallel which seems to work quite well. I converted all the bulbs to 12V – I have lovely halogens up front – but I left the 6V starter alone – so far (30,000 km) so good (touch wood!). The wipers and fuel gauge run off a solid state 12V to 6V converter (there a loads on ebay for about £10) which is wired through a relay so it is only live when the ignition is on. That sits on the bulkhead next to the redundant voltage regulator. I think it might get a bit hot there as occasionally I lose the 6V – it would probably be better mounted inside the car.

                With the headlights on the switch gets very hot so I intend to put some relays in there when I get the time.

                So – not pretty, but cheap.

                Chris

                #22605
                Bernie
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                  Forgetting my pedants’s hat for a minute – that is all very ingenious …. but I wonder what is now holding Chris’s back bumper in place?

                  B…………

                  #22607
                  Chris
                  Participant

                    Good question.

                    One of these is holding my bumper on: 

                    The one that came with the car was similar – but about 6 inches longer and the bumper was a weird shape as a result.

                    Chris

                    #22610
                    David Faulkner
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                      The alternator runs a little slower than it would in its intended installation

                      That’s the problem I found as well Chris as the Traction idles at 500 rpm V a modern car which idles at circa 850 rm so it wasn’t throwing out the full 14v at low revs.

                      I managed to source a smaller 76 diameter pulley which I had machined locally to reduce it again to circa 70 mm diameter. However the tight bend it created in the standard belt meant that it began to crack after 3,000 kms so I changed that to a Gates ‘B section notched’ (B38.MN) belt to ensure it wouldn’t crack again and it’s been fine for another 8,000 miles.

                      If I was starting again, knowing how I use the car now, I would have left the system on 6v and probably looked for a 6v ‘Dynator’ conversion, but hindsight is a wonderful thing….

                      #22624
                      David Faulkner
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                        Just to add (I couldn’t edit the post) for info on alternator pulley size take a look at the Prestolite guide http://www.prestolite.com/pgs_support/pulley_select_guide_b.php?pf=true&

                        #22657
                        Martin de Little
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                          Hello mate, roving Guernsey snapper here….

                          In your search for a 12v alternator take a look at The Gren Spark Plug Co.   http://www.gsparkplug.com/starters-alternators/alternators

                          Chances are they will be cheaper than  CTA .

                           

                          Cheers

                          Martin

                          #24558
                          Kenneth Barcham
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                            I cannot identify the wiring  within my 1935 Citroen Traction. It was changed from 6V to12V in  early 1980 in France, so i presume it was fitted with a French wiring loom. Does anyone have a wiring diagram copy of what i have or any idea where i could source one from. My email is k.barcham@btinternet.com .

                            #24560
                            Bernie
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                              Kenneth,

                              If your Traction was originally 6V I assume it was not a Slough car and, being 1935, is almost certainly LHD Paris built.  Paris cars  (or those from any of the other Continental factory) were only ever built with a 6V system right through to 1956 so no 12V wiring diagrams exist.

                              Your car will have been built without indicators or brake lights and with only one rear light.  Nevertheless, a late 6V diagram ought to give you a starting point because, in general, the layout for a 12V conversion is likely to be quite similar to that of a 6V car.

                              I therefore suggest you start by consulting this excellent publication from the technical pages of this website ………………

                              https://traction-owners.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Electric_Wiring_Schemes_Traction.pdf

                              However, when a car is converted there are often modifications incorporated into the new system which will differ from the basic “original” 6V wiring.  (I am aware some conversions require a system for stepping down to 6V to power certain components such as the wipers whilst others will incorporate an alternator).

                              Bonne chance!

                              b………..

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