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    Roger Grix
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      There always seem to be curved balls thrown at anybody trying to restore old vehicles. This is one that i new to me.

      I have just received a query from a friend and ex-colleague in South Africa. He is restoring a 1937 MG SA and has come up with information regarding early metric threads.

      I repeat the relevant parts of his email below.

      It concerns something I’ve never hear of before, which is Pre- ISO Metric French Metric Threads. I’ve been looking at the purchase of a 1937 MG SA convertible. It is powered by a MG 6 cylinder engine which has some components made by a company called Hotchkiss. Apparently Hotchkiss was a French company who migrated to the UK during WW 1. MG purchased engine parts from them and eventually bought the company. The company fixings standard was a thing called French metric, which used thread sizes different to the later SI system. In order for British Mechanics to use their Imperial spanners, the bolts and nuts were conveniently equipped with BSF spanner size heads!. So forgetting about the spanner sizes, the question is whether any bolts can be obtained with these original threads. I assume that Hotchkiss was only one of many French engineering firms and that fasteners with these threads must be found on many older French cars and machines. So as my consulting engineer on all matters Francais, could you please cast some light on this unexpected twist to a very British car marque.

      Like my friend, I had never heard of this but looking on the internet reveals that this was/is an interesting problem for restorers.

      Can any members shed more light on this and, in particular, whether any of these fasteners are available?

      Roger_G

       

      #37023
      Bernie
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        #37029
        Roger Grix
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          Thanks for the feedback, Bernie. I had found that information as well as quite a lot more details, but no source of said fasteners.

          I have got a possible name that I have emailed, but  have not had a reply to date.

          I thought that, if Citroën were using these “standards” in the early parts of the 20th century, some of the RWD members might have run into (and hopefully solved) the problem.

          Roger_G

          #37031
          Bernie
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            My RWD experience does not cover anything earlier than a 1922 5HP model but, based on what I have seen, early Citroën threads appear to have always been “standard” in that modern ISO fixings are compatible.

            Some head sizes can vary over the years but are always metric – for example I have come across 7mm screws and bolts with heads of 11, 12 and 13mm across flats, very often forged with chevrons on the top, so clearly original.

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